Who said you can’t be a Bible-believing Christian and conservative at the same time?

A conservative friend sent me this response to the Left’s claim that Christians can’t be conservative. It is lengthy, even after I edited it for my blog. The original can be read here. Many thanks to the Armenian Christian who gave me permission to post this on my blog!

**Disclaimer**
I may not agree with and do not endorse every viewpoint below.

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Let’s start with basic facts about Democrats/Liberals/progressives in the US (safe also to say in most parts of the world):

Progress for them means abandoning traditions. That means pretty much everything you grew up being told or taught is either wrong, outdated and has to be replaced.

That includes RELIGION, FAITH, MARRIAGE, and recently the Constitution of the US. Basic freedoms all came under attacks, with progressives/Liberals arguing against them as causing oppression/damage to some people, mostly perceived, nothing solid, but that is not our topic, so we’ll leave this part for now as is.

Progressive agenda in the US tries to marginalize religion/religious people, specifically Christianity, and to some extent Mormonism.

Everything Christians believe in and stand for is under attack by Democrats/Liberals progressives, and in fact they aligned themselves with militant atheists who are spending great deal of money and resources, taxpayer money, local and federal resources in meaningless litigation and lawsuits to remove any religious symbol, specifically Christian from any public or even private properties.

This is the same party that during the DNC 2012, voted 3 times to remove God from its platform, and remove any reference to Jerusalem being the capital of Israel (a Biblical concept), and then shamelessly booed God.
A national embarrassment for anyone who even remotely claim have a single ounce of decency in them. This how Democrats claim to be Christians. Rejecting God and booing him.

It took three tries to vote, and in fact it was clear that the majority favored removing God and mentions of Jerusalem. But to save their face and to avoid more embarrassment this was overridden by the mayor of Los Angeles at that time, Antonio Villaraigosa. See for yourself, if you have somehow missed it.

Now, let’s summarize this for the facts impaired, reality challenged progressive[s].

Progressives:

Believe that religion is old and antiquated, standing in the way of social justice and “progress” prevents equality. Most of progressives even argue that the found fathers were not Christian, and some take it further to argue they were not even religious.

Advocate Gay/same sex marriage. want to redefine marriage, force churches to perform same sex marriages.

Advocate killing of helpless, defenseless unborn children, even when they have no evidence of defects in fetus, or danger to the mother’s health.

Advocate taking hard earned money from the ones who actually work for it and give it to others, even when the other side is not poor but refuses to get a job.

Do not support free market, small businesses. Want large corporations that control big markets.

Want big government with virtually unlimited powers.

Advocate higher taxes even when that means shutting down businesses and causing families to lose their only source of income.

Advocate removal of all religious symbols, mentions of God, Jesus, Bible, from all books, literature, school curriculum, public and private property, and even currency.

The recent challenges trying to force the courts to declare the Pledge Of Allegiance citation at schools and “In God we trust” on the US currency, the aggressive lawsuits to remove the Ten Commandments from display at courts should tell you all you want to know on what progressive think about God, Jesus, Christianity and the Bible.

Progressives advocate socialism, which every person who has done their homework knows that it is a step towards Communism, and you can do your own research on what both think of religion, if you somehow missed that too.

(Much more nasty agenda but these points are enough to make the point)

How is all this or any of it Christian?

Conservatives:

Believe that all men are CREATED equal. God is the authority and judge of all, religious principles are what this country is found on. This country was born out of the desire of people to freely practice their religion, religious freedom is the foundation of this country.

For Conservatives, religion defines how a person should act.

Conservatives do not agree on calling civil same sex relationships as “marriage”, most of them have no problem in allowing same sex unions to have full benefits, but oppose redefining marriage to appease LGBT.

Oppose abortions on demand, or gender/race based selective abortions. Support abortions in the case of incest, rape, or when there is confirmed medical issue with the fetus, or when the mother’s life/health is in direct danger. Believe that life starts at conception, a Biblical concept.

Stand against stealing from the hard working class and giving it to the lazy who refuse to get a job.

Advocate free and open market.

Oppose big governments, want smaller government with less control.

Advocate lower taxes for all.

Stand against removal of any religious symbol, unless if it was used to influence government decisions/laws or abused.

Conservatives do not agree with socialism or Communism, and see both as evil ideologies and brought nothing but destruction and pain to millions.

How is all this un-Christian?
Now to come to the point that was used to start this foolish claim.

The argument relies solely on taking words Jesus said as recorded in Matthew 25:31-46 out of context and twisting the interpretation to fit some progressive’s hallucinations.

Let’s read the verses again.

Matthew 25:31-46 (English Standard Version)

The Final Judgment

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,

36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?

38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’

44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’

45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’

46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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Now this is your argument against Conservatives, that they can’t be Christians and still be Conservatives?

How are Conservatives refusing to feed the poor, help the sick and the hungry?

By refusing to support those who refuse to get a job?

Those “Occupy Wall Street” thugs (for example) who claimed to be poor, yet wore expensive clothing and jewelry and used expensive electronic gadgets?

How refusing to feed their drug habit and pay for their expensive lifestyle, knowing they refuse to get jobs is going against the teachings of Christ?

The problem with progressives has always been the “I don’t care about facts, nor understand basics” and if you try to inject some sense in them and mention facts again, you’ll see the “I have my fingers in ears” and the “La la la, I can’t hear you” type responses.

Have you done your homework?

Have checked or looked up who is running all those charities, Churches, relief efforts, homeless shelters, giving free meals to the homeless, the poor, and who attends to all those terminally ill people who were abandoned by their own families?

Now, let’s examine who are Christians and who are the unChristians here.

Progressives always attack and put down religious people, specifically Christians, and try to marginalize them.

What does the Bible say about such behavior?

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.” – John 15:18

“Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” – 2 Timothy 3:12

“For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.” – 1 Peter 3:17

“Having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame.” – 1 Peter 3:16

“Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you.” – 1 John 3:13

“But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled.” – 1 Peter 3:14

“Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.” – Hebrews 12:3

“Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man!” – Luke 6:22

“With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you.” – 1 Peter 4:4

“If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” – John 15:19

“An unjust man is an abomination to the righteous, but one whose way is straight is an abomination to the wicked.” – Proverbs 29:27

Progressives also advocate killing babies and the defenseless unborn.

Have you checked what the Bible says about that?

“You shall not murder.” – Exodus 20:13

This is one of the basics of Christianity.

One of the 10 Commandments.

If you are going to claim that a fetus is not alive, then you might want to read this.

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” – Jeremiah 1:5

Did God say he knew and consecrated something which was not alive? You really think that?

“Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent and righteous, for I will not acquit the wicked.” – Exodus 23:7

This is a double warning to your likes. You falsely charge Conservatives that they do not help the poor and support killing the innocent.

“For behold, when the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.” – Luke 1:44

Still saying a fetus is not alive and aborting is of God?

“Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?” – Job 31:15

This is a small sample showing how evil is abortion that you progressive socialists advocate.

You advocate gay marriage. Have you read the Bible? Do you know what it does say about homosexuals/Lesbians?

“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” – Leviticus 18:22

“Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.” – 1 Corinthians 6:9

Jesus clearly defined marriage as between man and woman.

“And said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?” – Matthew 19:5

Notice how Jesus said his wife and not his “partner”?

Finally, look up Sodom and Gomorrah and why they were destroyed.

Still saying progressive socialists are Godly?

Education continues.

So you want hard working people to surrender their hard earned money, endangering their own families to feed the lazy who refuse to get a job?

Let’s see what the Bible says about that.

“For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.” – 2 Thessalonians 3:10

“But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.” – 1 Timothy 5:8

“A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich.” – Proverbs 10:4

“Whoever works his land will have plenty of bread, but he who follows worthless pursuits will have plenty of poverty.” – Proverbs 28:19

“In all toil there is profit, but mere talk tends only to poverty.” – Proverbs 14:23

And you socialists/progressives want to take money from the hard working and give it to the lazy?

That is very Christian, right?

““You shall not steal” – Exodus 20:15

“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.” – John 10:10

“Put no trust in extortion; set no vain hopes on robbery; if riches increase, set not your heart on them.” – Psalm 62:10

You are attacking me, and claiming that I have no historical knowledge of Christianity?

I am an Armenian. [Do] you know who [Armenians] are? I don’t think you do. I suggest you do a research instead of looking foolishly uninformed like this.

We are the first Christian nation in history. The people who designed their alphabet specifically to write the Bible. Wherever we arrive, we build a church first and then settle for our own homes. Christianity runs in our blood. We have been persecuted throughout our history because we refused to deny Christ and convert to other religions, and were subject to at least two Genocides for that same reason, not to mentions dozens of pogroms too.

8 comments

  1. There are several things wrong with his argument. Firstly giving reasons socialists are “unchristian” is dancing around the question. It was directed towards conservatives.
    Secondly he (conveniently) didn’t address the main issue people have with conservatives being Christian and that is a reluctance to provide benefit to those who are actually in need of it. Branding everyone who claims benefit as “lazy” isn’t going to win anyone (who isn’t already a conservative) round because anyone with a brain can recognise that not EVERYONE who is out of work is lazy. I always thought Christianity was about generosity even if this comes with a sacrifice, the sacrifice being in this case that despite really making a difference for some truly struggling people there will always be some undeserved who will receive benefit (unintentionally). Making the sweeping statement that everyone out of work is lazy is just unsympathetic, unfair and unchristian.
    Thirdly he is not speaking for a majority here. He is clearly one of the few people left in civilised society who still reads the Bible as if every line and word really happened or he wouldn’t be using Sodom and Gomorrah as examples. Tell me, does he agree with the passages of the Bible that state it is okay to own slaves? Or perhaps those which say wives must be subordinate to their husbands? The list is endless.

    Lastly, I must say I somewhat pity him as he must be completely deluded to believe that Armenian heritage somehow means he is connected to God. The idea that religion is passed down through genes is just ridiculous and would be challenged by even the most devoted.

    I am not trying to be offensive, and I’m sorry if I have been but there is just so much of what has been said that makes no sense at all and shouldn’t be taken seriously, I would be interesting in reading a response from this guy as I am open to debate if anything valid can be said.

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    1. Thank you for sharing your perspective, A. Brown. I strongly disagree with your statements, but have more important things to address.

      I noticed a few things about your comment. Firstly you have every marking of a concern troll.

      You claim to agree with the blogpost’s author, yet proceed to attack the entire background and the author’s ethnicity which lends credibility to his statements and puts them in perspective.

      May God bless you with truth!

      -PF

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    2. I am the author of that article that the good folks here posted,
      First things first, I want to thank this blog and others for the support and for the kind words said. I don’t deserve all that. I just quoted the word of God as is from the Bible.

      To address ABROWNE and his comment, I don’t know where to start. I agree with PF in his response, and I can easily say that you are a troll, and would not be surprised if you were the same person that was posting all that nonsense, which led me to respond.

      I stand by every word I posted. The only thing I regret in my article was the tone that sounded frustrated, and justifiably so, as I was late in the night/early morning and I was dragged into tweet marathon trying to educate the person who made those claims.

      “Firstly giving reasons socialists are “unchristian” is dancing around the question. It was directed towards conservatives.”

      Really?
      I addressed the whole point, The claim was Conservatives cannot be Christians and socialists/liberals are the real Christians, and one part of the Bible was taken out of context and used in that claim, which was Matthew 25:31-46.
      I showed that Jesus was not saying what the original person claimed he was. I even linked to the commentary. How is that ” dancing around the question”?

      “Secondly he (conveniently) didn’t address the main issue people have with conservatives being Christian and that is a reluctance to provide benefit to those who are actually in need of it”

      Where is this “reluctance”?I have yet to see a real Christian and a real Conservative do anything of that sort.
      We question those who claim to be in need of help. Those who abuse the system. Those who lie about their status, refuse to get a job and then take resources that could benefit the people who are really in need for help.

      “Branding everyone who claims benefit as “lazy””
      “Making the sweeping statement that everyone out of work is lazy is just unsympathetic,”

      I NEVER did anything like that. Please stop your lies.
      I gave examples, among them, those who refuse to get a job, and called them lazy. I even cited a live example of how Occupy Wall Street thugs were offered jobs they refused while holding signs saying looking for jobs, and while using expensive electronic gadgets,and wearing expensive clothing.

      “Thirdly he is not speaking for a majority here.”
      Neither are you.

      For the record, I NEVER said that I did, and you are free to point me or anyone interested to where I said I did.

      “He is clearly one of the few people left in civilised society who still reads the Bible as if every line and word really happened”

      Really?
      So all those millions are “few people left in civilised [sic] society”?

      You were just lecturing others on what is Christianity, now you are dismissing the Bible?
      No you wonder why you are labeled as a troll?
      Few lines before this, you were telling us what is fair and what is Christian, and what is not.

      Now you dismiss the Christian book of faith.

      “or he wouldn’t be using Sodom and Gomorrah as examples.”

      So you got offended by mentioning a part of the Bible, that even archaeological evidence suggest it happened?
      This is really sad for a person to live in denial at this day and age. You were just mentioning civilized society right?
      How come you can’t do a little research before making such claims?
      I know this all is probably lost on you, even after all the evidence, the Bible verses you still live in denial.

      ” Tell me, does he agree with the passages of the Bible that state it is okay to own slaves? Or perhaps those which say wives must be subordinate to their husbands?”

      There is no passage in the Bible endorsing slavery. You are just peddling the myths spread by atheists and Liberals. The Bible, in fact, never addressed slavery, it was not the issue being dealt with at that time. You do NOT understand the Bible, nor what is the historic background of each verse.

      I am no Bible scholar either, but I can read, and I can read without the hate glasses that you and people like you put when they read the Bible.

      I am not going to discuss that in detail here, but I think these verses should settle this point and end your confusion.

      Kidnappers/slavers/slave traders were explicitly condemned in the Bible.

      Exodus 21:16
      He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.

      1 Timothy 1:10
      10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

      All are equal in Christ.

      Galatians 3:28
      28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

      Also the Bible never asked a women to be abused and still submit to her husband. You are thinking about Islam probably, but it is nothing new that Liberals/atheists lump and confuse Christianity with other religions.

      The Bible asked husbands and wives to love and submit to each other. If you can’t find those passages I suggest looking in the right sources.

      “The list is endless.”

      Yeah, I know, the list of myths and misconceptions in your propaganda and the propaganda you follow is endless.

      “Lastly, I must say I somewhat pity him as he must be completely deluded to believe that Armenian heritage somehow means he is connected to God”

      Your list of list is endless indeed.

      I never EVER said “Armenian heritage somehow means he is connected to God”
      When that person ran out of response after being shown facts, my heritage was attacked.
      I responded immediately.
      Telling me that I am not a Christian, while throughout history we died for refusing to renounce Christ and we still do is just ridiculous projection, and that continues by you right now.

      “The idea that religion is passed down through genes is just ridiculous and would be challenged by even the most devoted.”

      The lies continue.
      Read my tweets and responses. Everywhere I said Christianity is not inherited, it is not a membership club, cannot be given, cannot be bestowed, cannot be taken. It is believing in Christ and following his teachings.

      And no, I am not interested in “debate” with you or anyone like you who starts their “debate” by personal attacks and dismissal of the opposing views.

      Out of respect for PF and others, this was my first and only response to you.

      You are culturally and religiously blind, so the idea that you somehow think that you are a authority to decide what is fair, what is Christian, and the your assumptions of what others said vs. what they actually said is just sad. You should spend time in education yourself, getting more familiar with religions and cultures that you attack and you dismiss. Otherwise, I find it just a waste of time and energy for anyone to respond to you.

      (For what it’s worth, your tone, style and even some of the words you use sound like the person that I had that argument with. I feel that I am responding to the same person. I’ve been wrong before, many times, but this one seems to be right on target.)

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    3. PF is too busy, but I enjoy a little fun. So, here we go.

      You say:

      “Firstly giving reasons socialists are “unchristian” is dancing around the question. It was directed towards conservatives.”

      I believe the argument was a point/counterpoint thing. If Conservatives are considered incapable of being Christians because they don’t like government programs that force us to give to those who don’t work for whatever reason, then how much more are socialists unchristian? The author defended their Conservative Christianity (as do I) and offered reasons why the other side is not Christian. Defense/offense is a part of argument.

      You say:

      “Secondly he (conveniently) didn’t address the main issue people have with conservatives being Christian and that is a reluctance to provide benefit to those who are actually in need of it.”

      Christians are the most giving of people on the WHOLE planet. In fact, Christianity provides more relief to everyone under ANY situation via food banks, disaster relief, financial help, etc., etc., etc. I donate to one organization who, alone, is worldwide and helping give people new houses, new jobs, life saving operations, feeding the hungry, helping orphans, providing educations for those orphans (including job training), and the list goes on and on. Do a little research and you will see how specious and ill-informed your statement is. See, for instance, http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/6577 and
      http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071117054523AAGlhyX, among others.

      You say,

      ” Branding everyone who claims benefit as “lazy” isn’t going to win anyone (who isn’t already a conservative) round because anyone with a brain can recognise that not EVERYONE who is out of work is lazy.”

      Don’t argue that point with us. Argue it with GOD, since those are His words. We don’t argue with GOD. We acknowledge that there are instances when someone is physically incapable of working (though that is rare, considering Dr. Stephen Hawkings’ plight and the fact that he continues to teach: If he can, so can others), but we don’t “brand” everyone lazy, but we do acknowledge that there are those who are. You just see their unemployment as “they must have a problem” without acknowledging that sometimes that problem is laziness.

      You say:

      ” I always thought Christianity was about generosity even if this comes with a sacrifice, the sacrifice being in this case that despite really making a difference for some truly struggling people there will always be some undeserved who will receive benefit (unintentionally).”

      Christianity includes generosity, but it doesn’t include FORCED generosity. Those who pay taxes should not be FORCED to pay for everyone’s everything because they want to stay on welfare because an available job is below them, they’d have to drive too far to get there, or it’s just McDonald’s. Work is work and GOD blesses work. He commands us to give to Him and to help our neighbors. But He doesn’t say to do that for eternity. We are to forgive them seventy times seven times, not feed them that often.

      You say:

      “Making the sweeping statement that everyone out of work is lazy is just unsympathetic, unfair and unchristian.”

      See in the posting where it says “2 Thessalonians 3:10”, “1 Timothy 5:8”, etc.? Those are GOD’s ideas. As Christians we believe the Word of GOD and we believe that He knows what He’s talking about. Are we to argue with GOD? No. We follow His commands, accept His existence, follow His example and believe in His Son. YOU are saying that GOD is “unsympathetic, unfair and unchristian.” That’s chutzpah, to say the least. Dangerous to be specific!

      You say:

      “Thirdly he is not speaking for a majority here. He is clearly one of the few people left in civilised society who still reads the Bible as if every line and word really happened or he wouldn’t be using Sodom and Gomorrah as examples.”

      No, the author is not “one of the few” who believe the Bible is the Word of GOD. There are millions of us. Just because you and your buds may not believe so, that doesn’t negate the rest of us. GOD is GOD. He made the entire universe and some believe that He can do that but not control a man’s hand as that man writes the Word of GOD down? Really? Naïve much?

      You say:

      ” Tell me, does he agree with the passages of the Bible that state it is okay to own slaves? Or perhaps those which say wives must be subordinate to their husbands? The list is endless.”

      That’s a typical Muslim argument. Show me where in the Bible it says it’s OKAY to own slave. It says IF YOU OWN SLAVES, treat them a certain way. It also says for women to be subordinate to their husbands, but not in everything. Read Proverbs 31 and you’ll see how much women are TOLD to do by the BIble: she buys property (16), she gives to the poor (20), she makes linen and sells it — does business (24), she’s a hard worker (13, 14, 15,16, 18, 22, 24, 27); she’s kind, generous and well regarded (20, 25, 26, 28); she reflects well on her husband and he loves her and is a good example to her children (11, 12, 23, 28, 29), and other places in the Bible. Read about Ruth, Naomi, Esther, etc. You’re wrong in your assertions about GOD’s ideas for women.

      You say:

      “Lastly, I must say I somewhat pity him as he must be completely deluded to believe that Armenian heritage somehow means he is connected to God. The idea that religion is passed down through genes is just ridiculous and would be challenged by even the most devoted.”

      I don’t think that’s what the person was saying at all. I think there is a heritage that is passed down from generation to generation. A heritage as in your Momma teaches you about GOD and her religious beliefs just as her Momma taught her and her Momma taught her, etc. Heritage is passed down and a family of believers is more likely to have children who are believers. This you must acknowledge as true or you are the deluded one.

      You say:

      “I am not trying to be offensive, and I’m sorry if I have been but there is just so much of what has been said that makes no sense at all and shouldn’t be taken seriously, I would be interesting in reading a response from this guy as I am open to debate if anything valid can be said.”

      I beg to differ. I think you were trying to be offensive or you wouldn’t have attacked the poster’s Christianity. Arguing the point without arguing the PERSON isn’t “not trying to be offensive”. It’s taking the first unfair slam.

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